I am all about Bucky thinking that Captain America is a goddamn joke
and that it’s an even funnier joke when he finds out Cap is Steve
Because he knows Steve SO WELL he knows ALL THE WAYS he at once fits the persona perfectly and all the ways he doesn’t fit it at all. Steve…
#somebody calls steve ‘mature and responsible’ #steve looks all modest and goes ‘well thank y—’ #‘you’re KIDDING right’ bucky interrupts #‘he used to pick fights with guys three—no FOUR times his size #kept trying to join the army so he could what? shoot a few bullets before a fly landed on him and took him out for good? #then some guy whispered ‘psst you want us to make you bigger? we think it might work this time’ to him from a dark alley #and steve said ‘yeah okay’ and by some miracle it didn’t kill or deform him #so then he spent some time skipping around bopping nazis on the head #which yeah sure okay #but then I was gone maybe SIX MINUTES before he decided it would be fun to grab a plane and play chicken with an ocean #so that knocks him out for a while but when he wakes up does he decide to take it easy for a while?#maybe stop trying to give the people around him as many HAPS—that’s heart attacks per second—as possible?’ #‘bucky—’#‘shut up steve #the answer is no #no he does not #he starts fighting aliens #ALIENS I tell you #and after he gets knocked around by THEM things taper off for a while #only eight maybe nine unnecessary life-threatening stunts a week #until he decides it’s time to shake things up and takes on a vast government agency full of traitorous trained killers because why not? #oh but he gets help #two people #you know to even up the odds #and—’ #‘BUCKY’ #‘shut up steve I’m telling her how mature and responsible you are’ #‘I’m sorry I forgot my parachute yesterday could you please just let it go’ #‘WE WERE FLYING OVER A DESERT DID YOU THINK YOU COULD DIVE INTO SAND JUST AS EASY AS WATER’#‘I’m not used to putting chutes on! it was an honest mistake! I’m sorry ma’am here’s your autograph we’ll just go now c’mon buck’
(via sunshineandsuperheroes)
*SKIPPING AROUND BOPPING NAZIS ON THE HEAD*
dying. just dying.
#‘WE WERE FLYING OVER A DESERT DID YOU THINK YOU COULD DIVE INTO SAND JUST AS EASY AS WATER’
Please just leave me here to fucking die, I’m laughing so hard I can’t walk and it’s moved on to full on tears. I’ll just drown right here and now.
Tag: steve rogers
For reserve who asked for someone to draw Steve and Bucky in this picture:
Bucky Barnes and dating in the 40’s.
So, wow. Yeah. Another one of those “I’ve been reading a lot of.. and.. (insert my opinion here).”
So, yes, I keep reading about Bucky as the ladies man: all sexed up and such. It’s a bit baffling to me, as this is a very modern way of thinking. Dating – or courtship – was very different in the 30’s and 40’s than it is today!
For example, take this excerpt from A Brief History of Courtship and Dating in America, (Part 2):
Beth Bailey and Ken Myers explain in the Mars Hill Audio Report, Wandering Toward the Altar: The Decline of American Courtship, before World War II, American youth prized what Bailey calls a promiscuous popularity, demonstrated through the number and variety of dates a young adult could command, sometimes even on the same night.
In the late 1940s, Margaret Mead, in describing this pre-war dating system, argued that dating was not about sex or marriage. Instead, it was a “competitive game,” a way for girls and boys to demonstrate their popularity.
This describes a situation in which dating was more about one’s reputation than any sort of romance. It was very important not only to be seen with many dates, but with the proper people. This explains why Steve would have had such a difficult time securing a partner: being seen with someone unpopular was worse than not being seen at all. However, this gives us a clue as to how popular Bucky must have been! If he was able to leverage himself in order to get Steve dates, Bucky must have been pretty high-ranking on the dating scale.
For men, desirable dating traits included a good personality and dance skills, as well as being “tactful, amusing, well dressed, prompt, and courteous” (Great Depression and the Middle Class…). Lasciviousness was not a good quality! Women communicated with one another concerning a man’s suitability, so for Bucky to have been popular he couldn’t have been the sex-centric playboy that fans like to imagine. It’s far more likely that he was well-spoken, funny, charming, and a great dancer. Remember, Bucky was from the lower classes, so he wouldn’t have had the money – despite the Depression, it was expected that men pay for the entire date (barring Sadie Hawkins themed events and once a couple started to go steady) – to impress women with a car and fancy clothes, nor would he have been able to take them out to dinner, so his dance skills would have been pretty important!
In fact, dancing was such a popular form of entertainment that, in one year, the University of Michigan fraternities held over 300 evening dances!
According to this web page “young people in the 1930s dated and double-dated by going to movies, getting something to eat, going for ice cream, driving around, spending time with friends, going to dances, and even ‘necking.’” That’s right folks, necking. Not fucking.
Women were expected to straddle a fine line between being too forward or too “frigid,” both of which could harm their reputations. Young people engaged in kissing, necking, and petting (meaning anything short of full intercourse). Petting was becoming more common – due, in part, to rising automobile-culture – as was sex itself; heavier petting typically came from going-steady, and engagement “came… to mean that partners would at some point ‘go all the way’” (Teen Culture in the 1930’s). Ladies who were known to be free with their sexuality prior to commitment were in danger of being known for exactly that, and could easily become popular merely as a means to an end (the wrong kind of popularity).
So, it likely wouldn’t have been hard for Bucky, as a popular young man, to find a willing partner (and I’m certainly not suggesting that he was virginal). However, if he were the sort of man to focus on easy women, it’s not likely that he would maintain his own high rating (which, again, we can guess at by the fact that he was able to not only secure himself dates, but Steve as well).
This is a really quick and dirty run-down of dating and sex during the 30’s into the early 40’s, but there is a lot of information available out there. Bucky is presented as a stand-up guy, so I don’t really understand why so many people seem to view him as some sort of a man whore. I sincerely doubt that he was entirely chaste (particularly once he went into the Army, a topic which I avoided on purpose), but I imagine that he was a desirable companion for his charm and dateability far more than for his sexual prowess.
Note also how these same qualities (“tactful, amusing, well dressed, prompt, and courteous”) are very attractive today, too, and regardless of how well the filmmakers did their research, that’s exactly how Bucky comes across at the start of the film. Depending on his background, he might or might not be a man you’d seriously consider marrying, but he would definitely be someone to recommend to a friend as good company for an evening. (This means that a writer can plausibly interpret Bucky as anything and everything between virginal to modern serial monogamist -level of sexual experience or even very experienced – consider, if you will, the attractions of a charming man with an absolute sense of discretion.)
And then contrast this with pre-serum!Steve, who comes to their double date dressed – the best you can say is that he tried (and remember, he’s literally coming there after a fight in a dirty alley), is nearly silent, awkward almost to the point of tactlessness, and generally projects an air of wanting to be anywhere else but there, up to and including the trenches getting shot at.
It’s no wonder that his date is so upset, because pre-serum!Steve might be a doll once you get to know him, but as a blind date, he is an utter and total tragedy.
It also underlines how far from OK Bucky is after his rescue – he’s scruffy, unkempt and his uniform is a mess, he’s drinking hard liquor alone, and his attempt to channel the old charming Bucky at Agent Carter falls flat. He does get somewhat better later, as we can tell from his improved appearance in the new blue uniform jacket, but there’s a sharp edge there that wasn’t before. On the other hand, this is no longer New York with is dates and dances; Bucky wouldn’t be the only man on leave who’d lost the bright easy shine.
War changed a lot of things, and that includes the attitudes of women. Before, Private Lorraine probably wouldn’t have dreamed of ambushing a man with a kiss in a public place, no matter how handsome or heroic, but in wartime, people occasionally reconsidered the rules. (I’m not sure what the rules were for dating in England, but I do wonder if a part of the confusion between Steve and Peggy might stem up from different cultural approaches to dating between Britain and USA, in addition to the difficulties that a romance with a fellow soldier could cause her professionally.)
But to get back to Steve – consciously or unconsciously, who do you think he’s trying to emulate in company now that his body, fame and military rank have suddenly bumped up his social rating, if not Bucky-from-before?
(Side note: of the rest of the Howlies, Monty probably did respectably well for himself in his elevated social circles, which IIRC worked a bit differently; as for Dum-Dum, I doubt he ever even tried to play the game Bucky used to excel at; Jim probably was okay, but he doesn’t strike me as a man with the patience for being a social butterfly. Gabe Jones? He must’ve gone to all of the dances. All of them. Remember that suit from the very end? Now, there is one dapper gentleman with savoir-faire.)
Thank you for all this awesome information! 😀 I already knew that, while post-WS Bucky can easily be portrayed as a bit of a “bad boy”, he definitely wasn’t BEFORE that, bit it’s cool to have some insight into what dating was like back then!
Polite, dapper, dashing gentleman Bucky Barnes and his questionable, fight-picking punk of a best friend Steve Rogers is my fave thing.
Protestant Steve Rogers v. Catholic Steve Rogers and why that matters
[I’ve been sitting on this post for about three weeks, trying to decide if I wanted to make it or not. I’ve finally decided it’s time to put it out there, so.]
This essay was originally going to be added to this post about Steve’s dog-tags, but I apparently have a lot of feelings about this and it ended up being ridiculously long and sort of tangential to the original post, so I’m simply linking the two. I’ve divided the essay into three parts: church history, immigration history, and speculation.
Disclaimer: I was raised Protestant (in a non-denominational Stone-Campbell church), and I attended undergrad at a Protestant Christian liberal arts college (also Stone-Campbell). My undergraduate degree included church history, but I am definitely not an expert, so I’ve included lots of Wikipedia links to compensate. I am currently attending a Catholic university for my masters, but again, the focus has not been church history (although I have interviewed and transcribed interviews with Catholic priests from the Brooklyn Diocese as part of my classes). I know enough about church history to feel comfortable making this post, but not enough to go into further detail than what is laid out here. If I have made any egregious errors in regards to either branch’s history, please drop me a note so I can correct them.
the fact that i have seen steve and bucky living in clint’s brooklyn building exactly one time in a very small part of an alright at best fic is tragic
i mean just imagine it:
- bucky and steve over the moon to be living in a building that reminds them of where they lived before the war even though it’s kind of crappy it’s PERFECT for them
- clint and kate and bucky and steve teaming up to fight crime together like o m g
- cap getting rid of the bros in like 30 seconds every time they show up if clint needs to get this shit done quick so they can fight bigger and better crime clint what did you even do to start this
- BUCKY BABYSITTING
- EVERYONE BEING BFFS WITH GRILLS
- bucky and kate having sass fests and fistbumping when they say something hilarious about their respective bff
- madame masque kidnapping steve and bucky to get back at kate or something really dumb like that and steve and bucky being like are you even serious rn like OKAY THEN
- ‘hawkeye’ ‘hawkeye’ ‘captain america’ ‘captain america’ IF YOU WANTED TO GO THAT FAR JUST SAYING
- STEVE AND BUCKY FEEDING PIZZA TO PIZZA DOG
- clint secretly fanboying every single day about cap living like two floors down to kate and kate just rolling her eyes like CLINT I KNOW I SAW STEVE DOING HIS LAUNDRY IN THE BASEMENT THIS MORNING AND EVERYTHING and clint being like oh yeah right…so does he actually only wear red white and blue underwear i have a bet going and kate just puts her head on the table and thinks how did i even
WHY IS THIS NOT A COMMON THING???
- bucky and steve start saying ‘this looks bad’ before beating people up. the other avengers give them weird looks. clint smirks.
- bucky getting pissed when kate eventually kicks his ass at archery (but just archery. he’s still better at shooting a gun. goddammit.)
- literally kate bishop and mcu!bucky barnes please just think about it for a moment
- MOVIE NIGHTS
- LITERALLY THEM JUST HANGING OUT AND BECOMING BEST BROS AND SOMETIMES LETTING SAM AND NATASHA
- AND BEING 100% DOMESTIC
- IN BUT THEN TONY DROPS BY UNANNOUNCED ONE DAY AND SEES THE FOUR OF THEM SQUISHED TOGETHER ON THE COUCH PLAYING PORTAL OR WATCHING BLADE RUNNER (‘STEVE IT IS MY FAVORITE HOW HAVE YOU NOT SEEN IT YET IT IS PERFECT’) OR WHATEVER
- AND TONY IS JUST LIKE ‘WH. WHAT. NO. NO YOU CANNOT LEAVE ME OUT OF THIS. YOU ARE NOT GETTING AWAY WITH THIS.’ SO HE PULLS OUT HIS PHONE TO GET EVIDENCE IF HE NEEDS TO BLACKMAIL ANY OF THEM MATER
- AND THEN HE JUST SORT OF LAYS ON TOP OF THEM WITHOUT ANOTHER WORD
- AND THE FOUR OF THEM JUST LOOK AT EACH OTHER AND SHRUG AND KEEP DOING WHATEVER IT IS THEY’RE DOING AND WAIT FOR PEPPER TO COME COLLECT HIM
HAWKEYE HAWKEYE CAPTAIN AMERICA CAPTAIN AMERICA!
– “crappy but perfect for them” YES EXACTLY. I mean I love “Everyone lives in Avengers Tower and it’s domestic and adorable” but Steve and Bucky need the correct mix of “kinda crappy, but good” and a neighborhood with an actual community.
– Bucky is not only *A* babysitter, he is SImone’s kids’ FAVORITE babysitter and actually volunteers to watch the kids so Simone can take some time for herself. (I mean MCU Bucky is just a natural caretaker type – look at pre-serum Steve. I think either Bucky would be really good with kids.)
– I think in a very real way – kids of the Depression and all that – Steve and Bucky would GET Clint in a lot of ways. Like the bit about “you have to take care of your stuff”. (Crap, where’s my copy. Christmas issue. You know the part I mean, right?) Which is why they watched Blade Runner on laser disc despite Kate’s protests that you know what are things now? DVD and Blu-Ray and just DOWNLOADING THE DAMNED THING. But it’s YOUR STUFF and you’ve gotta take care of your stuff. (Side note: I think this is also kind of why I really get Clint Barton in some ways. My city falls under … “kinda crappy but perfect for me”)
I need this like I’ve never needed anything in my life, including air.
Stewart, Colbert and Rogers – a Headcanon
Of course, the Battle of New York is the first time everyone actually sees Captain America since the 1940’s.
Media predictably goes apeshit. Rumors are flying. Some people think it’s just a new guy wearing the suit – and okay, it’s not as if it wasn’t tried before. Everyone still remembers the eventual catastrophe that was William “Steve Rogers” Burnside in the 1950’s. It had taken Director Carter and the early SHIELD everything they had to bring him and his false Bucky down. And even in the end, there’s still a bit of mystery as to the mysterious sniper who had first killed the fake “Bucky” and then taken the fatal shot at Burnside that sent him into the waters below the Hoover Dam. Burnside’s body was never recovered.
But eventually, grainy pictures of Cap unmasked during the Battle of New York make it onto the Internet and that face is unmistakably the original Steve Rogers. There’s fancy face-matching programs that talking heads bring into the newsrooms showing that this isn’t somebody who had plastic surgery done. It’s either Cap somehow has an identical grandson or he is the real thing, somehow surviving all those years frozen in the ice.
So eventually, Captain America has to face the press and he has a very long talk with SHIELD’s PR people and eventually ends up consulting the lovely Pepper Potts, who, in Steve’s own words, is the one voice of sanity in this entire mess. Tony has Grand Ideas of how Steve should come out to the press but seriously, baldly walking down Main Street with “Back in Black” blaring and with red, white and blue balloons and streamers is just not Steve’s thing, ever, okay? Miss Pepper – Tony’s not serious, is he?
However, much to everyone’s amusement and Clint, by the way, was all “BWAHAHAHA, YOU GO, CAP” at this, Steve Rogers decides to formally announce his identity and lay all the rumors to rest in “the one news show in the entire country that actually makes sense and actually reports accurate news!”
Jon Stewart’s The Daily Show.
And okay, since Steve’s also supposed to do a “fluffier” interview kinda thing, he agrees to appear on the one other show that was “truly American.” That he manages to say this with a straight face, not cracking up until Clint and Tony thought he was actually fucking serious, was the first lesson the team learned that Steve Rogers was not completely the perfect “sweetheart” everyone thought he was.
Yep, Steve Rogers was going to appear on The Colbert Report too.
Okay, no, really, Steve’s aware that The Daily Show and its sister show The Colbert Report are comedic satires but he likes Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert.
That particular Daily Show episode was one of the most epic in its history. Yes, I’m really Steve Rogers. Yes, the original Steve Rogers – I fought with the Howling Commandos in World War II and yes, I did survive that plane crash in the Arctic. Super Soldier Serum did the work. I did get to punch Hitler 200 times but I never got to do that in Berlin. Well, I don’t miss polio, the Internet is incredibly helpful and I am so glad we don’t have to boil everything before we eat it now.
The Steve Rogers America meets in the Daily Show comes off as funny, endearing, charming and more than surprisingly snarky and sassy. Jon Stewart, after the initial fanboy reaction (can’t help himself), sasses and snarks back in typical fashion and he almost, almost gets Steve to say the word “fuck” on national television because of the Dodgers. They do, however, bond over New York pizza and Steve’s Brooklyn accent comes out in full force, which Jon matches.
The Colbert Report episode is known as “When Steve meets Stephen” and Rogers is outed as a fellow Tolkien geek, which nearly sends Colbert into an orgasm. Colbert manages to secure a promise from Rogers on lessons in how to throw the Captain America shield properly, gets Cap’s signature on his shield and the crowning moment of Colbert’s career is an actual sketch of Colbert himself, drawn by Steve Rogers.
Colbert lords this over Jon every chance he gets. “Rogers likes me better than you, Stewart! I’m breaking up with you now and I’m running away with Captain America and we’re going to raise our red, white and blue babies together!”
Steve ends up guesting occasionally on both shows, although these are shorter appearances, usually in some gag or the other or in response to some Fox News idiocy and soon enough #CaptainSassmerica is trending. It’s priceless.
The next time Steve Rogers appears for a longer interview on The Daily Show is when he officially ended the long speculation – so hotly debated in scholarly circles and in fandom – about his relationship with Bucky Barnes.
This happens some considerable time after the Triskelion and Ultron Incidents. The identity of the infamous DC Shooter is revealed to be the Winter Soldier a.k.a James Buchanan Barnes. Steve Rogers himself confirms that Barnes was essentially tortured, brainwashed, experimented on and deprived of all agency and choice in his time as HYDRA’s weapon and is pretty much the country’s longest held POW.
He gets most of the country’s support – though there are, of course, always people calling out for blood and less interested in the actual truth as they are in vengeance. #BuckyBarnesisNotaTraitor and #SaveBuckyBarnes become trending. After a long recovery, Bucky does eventually join Sam Wilson as one of the newest Avengers.
Of course, photos of Steve and Bucky being out and about in New York make it to the press and the internet and the fandom loses their collective minds. The affection between the two is “obvious” and “absolutely adorable” according to some. Homophobic trolls stoutly deny everything on the comms and blogs, some going for anonymous hate messages. The others plead for sanity and point out that Rogers and Barnes don’t owe anyone anything – forcing someone to out themselves is a shitty thing to do, this is nobody’s business but their own and both men have already been through enough.
But everyone knows that Rogers hates bullies with a passion, has appeared to support LGBTQIA+ groups, especially art programs, education and shelters for disadvantaged LGBTQIA+ youth and Barnes, who normally doesn’t talk to the press at all, finally breaks his silence after an idiotic, insulting question by a clearly homophobic reporter. “Steve and I used to live in one of the queerest neighborhoods in Brooklyn. They were our neighbors and our friends. What makes you think the two of us would have anything against ‘em?”
Bucky Barnes hated bullies too.
That quote, accompanied by a very Winter Soldier-y glare ends up turning into an internet meme.
And after that, both men end up being very active in their support for LGBTQIA+ rights. The rest of the Avengers have their backs.
So Steve appears on The Daily Show after a particularly blistering, offensive segment on Fox News that openly wondered as to whether he should be “stripped of his rank/title because clearly, Steve Rogers no longer represents America as it should be.”
For once, Jon Stewart actually sets aside the comedy and goes for an actual serious interview, that shames a lot of real news shows for the astonishing amount of research put into it and the sheer professionalism. He raises the fact that lately, Steve has been very visible in rallies supporting the Marriage Equality Act.
Steve responds. “You know, back in the day, this kind of thing wasn’t spoken about. I know good, decent people who had to hide who and what they are, had to watch their backs every day of their lives and all because they loved another man – “
“ – or another woman,” Jon adds.
“Yes, exactly. I know that there are people out there, right now, who still have to live in fear, who still face the kind of hate we went through in the 1940’s, who still wonder every day if there’s something wrong with them, if they need to be fixed." Steve’s expression clouds. "It ain’t right. Everyone deserves a chance to live their lives and be happy.”
"Gay marriage is legal in New York,” Jon points out. “And you said… we.”
"Yeah, I’m glad that Bucky and I could get married here in our city if we wanted to. Everyone else all over the country deserves that same chance.”
After a stunned silence, Jon stammers out, “You mean you… and Bucky Barnes?”
Steve’s mouth quirks that familiar, slightly lopsided, movie-star smile. “Yeah. Took us a while to get here but we made it, eventually.”
That moment ends up breaking Twitter, Tumblr and YouTube, to say nothing of The Daily Show website itself.
On The Colbert Report, a “heartbroken” Stephen Colbert congratulates Steve Rogers and Bucky Barnes on their upcoming nuptials. Colbert starts sobbing noisily and ends up with several boxes of Kleenex and a tub of Ben and Jerry’s.
“I thought we were going to run off into the sunset together…. but! But! I can’t stand in the way of your everlasting love with Barnes. I’m…. so…. happy for you.”
Jon ends up “crossing over” and brings him more ice cream. They end up cuddling on the couch together.
– end –
Note: I just read the GLORIOUSNESS that is idrilka’s Tin Soldiers and I badly wanted to see Steve Rogers on my two favorite American news shows. Since we can’t actually have that, I did the next best thing. 😛
Sometimes I’m getting lost in AU hell so have more uh teenage superhero Winter Soldier…stuff
Natasha and Sam are not 100% fixed yet I did those rather impulsively but they get proper ones one of these days I think
Especially Tashas outfit doesnt quite come off as intended but I wanted to show off the tat priorities priorities
For Sam insert cheesy ass falcon wing patches at the back of his jacket (haha remember that Deryl Dixon vest? Daaamn straight you do)
Edit:Ah yes also link to previous design
I really just wanted to whip out embarrasing outfits nvmnd me
Insert teenage-/modern-/shonen-/whicheverAU here ssigh
Some more CapAU things I postet on Twitter woop
(the AU in question)
Guess who only drew 10 pages for this zine? THIS GUYYYYY. EYYYY…
So this is my part of the zine that I did with pilot-star. We each did half of the book (I put in some sketches to fill things out), and honestly this is one of the best experiences I’ve ever had. I’m not a comic artist… though I’d like to get better at it. So here’s my stab at a starbucks comic.
These will be on sale at Otakuthon (Montreal) and Anime Revolution (Vancouver, table 49) the weekend of Aug 22! After that, you can find them at Fan Expo in Toronto the next weekend!!! We would really appreciate the support if you came by to grab one!!!


