#58 in the FallenZephyr Palette set
LOOK, SCI HAD CLINT PASS OUT INTO PHIL’S ARMS. THIS IS THE LOGICAL CONCLUSION. CLEARLY.
Tag: scifigrl47
In which Dummy becomes a human kid, and Tony stumbles into fatherhood.
Inspired by “Bedtime Stories and Nightmares“ by scifigrl47, part of the “Tales of the Bots” series.
PANTS ARE VERY IMPORTANT OKAY. PANTS.
This is what I think would have happened after the end of Clint Barton Should Not Be a Child Right Now
Aw, Phil, you’re usually quicker on the uptake than this. 8)
So I have become one of “those” writers. The ones who commission drawings of OCs. May the art community forgive me. 8)
I was lucky enough to be able to commission vylla to draw Lucy Piero, DJ’s crush from “Fairy Tales and Clockwork Hearts.” She gave me permission to post the commission here, because it makes me happy. 8)
Frigga should just take the throne instead of one of her issue-ridden kids, I mean really.
An AU where Frigga rules Asgard and raises her children while Odin runs around, I don’t know, stabbing things or something. Sif and Val can protect the realm on their own, so that frees him up to take some really long naps. No one cares how long your Odinsleep lasts, dude, really.
Where the new incarnation of SHIELD is helmed by Maria Hill, because she’s actually experienced and the next in line after Fury. Sharon Carter is her second, and they both bitch out the Avengers on a regular basis. Coulson can continue shepherding his bus of broken toys around, except with Maria needs May’s support. Victoria Hand is, of course, shacked up somewhere with Sitwell. Not sleeping together, mind out of the gutter. But they were both behind on “Game of Thrones,” and with both of them being fake dead, it seemed like a good chance to get caught up.
Where Pepper Potts smashed through the wall and rushed Maya Hanson to the ER and now Maya heads R&D and Pepper runs the company and Tony just plays with his bots and is perfectly happy inventing completely unmarketable stuff.
Where Natasha is the poised, controlled public face of the Avengers because she can actually handle it without showing up drunk or having a panic attack or telling a reporter to do something anatomically impossible.
Where Betty has turned down job offers from StarkIndustries and SHIELD but takes a post with Empire University, just close enough and just far enough away. She teaches and does the research she wants to do and in her spare time, she founded a group of scientists that serve as public interest watchdogs and whistle blowers. They focus attention on military, government and industry work, demanding transparency and high safety standards. She meets Bruce in the park, once a week, early in the day or late in the afternoon, when there’s fewer people and less chance of something happening. She holds his hand the entire time, and sometimes that’s all they do. Walk and hold hands.
Where Gwen Stacey goes to London and still writes to Peter, emails and real letters, because she will always be his friend and his lodestone, even if they’re not together any more. Because part of being an adult is realizing that you can love someone, and have that not be enough. Sometimes. Loving someone. Means letting them go. And wishing with all your heart for them to be happy and safe. And Peter loves her, and is so happy for her, because he is growing up, and becoming the hero he’s always tried so hard to be. And Gwen sets him up with this girl she knows back in New York, maybe he’ll like Mary Jane, and maybe Mary Jane would like him…
Where Peggy Carter builds up SHIELD with dozens of the female intelligence workers and codebreakers and technicians and secretaries, stolen from the US Military and Betchley Park and Hedy Lamarr is the ultimate spy and the one who explained to Howard Stark just what would happen to his balls if he didn’t learn to keep his hands to himself. It involves liquid nitrogen and he learned to keep his hands to himself.
Where the contributions of the women of this verse don’t begin with being a love interest and end with their death.
Where they create a vibrant, brilliant, balanced world, not in spite of the male characters, but with them. Because it’s a better world with them in it.
this, yup.
Is it a better world with them in it, though? The male Asgardians, Sitwell, Coulson, Banner, and Stark all seem to be pretty useless in this scenario. You could ace all of them and nothing in this world would suffer for it. The only one who retains any kind of relevance is Peter.
In all seriousness. Did you just try to hijack a post about how we need more female representation to say that having the women there renders the men, what, unimportant? That having your favorite charcters only be mentioned or important when it relates to the actions or emotional well being of a character of the opposite gender isn’t what you want to see? That it would be sad that focusing entirely on one group of people rendered the other half of them completely irrelevent?
I didn’t say what Thor, Loki or the Warriors Three were doing. I didn’t say what Bruce was doing. I only mentioned them in relation to how they impact the women’s lives and this is exactly how media treats women. I said that Tony was HAPPY with his ability to do exactly what he wants and avoid the things he’s spent three movies avoiding. Despite this, you’ve jumped to the conclusion that they’re irrelevent just because the above answer doesn’t focus on them. The narrative doesn’t say they’re irrelevent. It just implies they’re uninteresting. Not worthy of our focus. “It’s fine, they can be the romantic interests and the perky sidekicks!”
Welcome to the background radiation of my life. Erasure sucks, doesn’t it? Only difference is, I’m decring the ACTUAL FRIDGING and ERASURE of female characters. You’re displeased with the fantasy of something that comes close to equality.
“Mornin buddy.”
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Insert reason other than cuteness and buff arms here.
Aw, Clint. Phil is going to that thing through the garbage compactor at this rate…
i don’t even know what to say to this
While implying that things are better when people don’t think critically about what they read is clearly the mark of a free and enlightened society.
Critical thinking is bad and might be fascist. I could have sworn I saw that one on Fox News.
what is happening today?
it is apparently time for comics writers to rally against their fans again
Nice use of scare quotes there, ‘Brubaker’.
(slow, sarcastic clapping) No, no. The GOVERNMENT telling writers what they are allowed to write, often under the threat of imprisonment, torture, or death, is how that ‘worked.’ The READERSHIP saying ‘we do not like what you’ve written, and we are not interested in paying for it or anything else you’ve written, and we are encouraging your current employer to replace you with someone who can do the job better, because we consume their product, you goddamn HACK’ is how CAPITALISM works. I know it’s confusing, but they’re a little different.
And is he really doing this? Are we really comparing the threat placed on legitimate journalists and authors under a violent dictatorship or regime to the fan lead efforts to get a 3rd rate, misogynistic HACK removed from a flagship title? A flagship comic book title whose circulation numbers that he has driven into the ground? That’s… What we’re doing here.
Gotta say. I’m a little ‘outraged’ by his comparison.
This is one of those cases of bizarre “logic” that I don’t even know how to refute it because the person is operating from such a faulty premise. You have to backtrack SO far just to even try to follow their train of thought.
I want to send vitriolic hate mail to every comics professional who has come down defending Remender, but I do not have the mental energy for it.
I really love that Clint appears to be the one who does the most cooking in your fics, but it’s not something I’ve seen anywhere else (most people write him as a strictly pizza and take-out kind of guy until someone forces him to eat real food), so where does that come from? What’s your headcanon on where and why he learned to cook?
Childhood hunger haunts people. It haunts people badly, and like a lot of other childhood traumas, it shapes the person’s whole life. In my limited experience, people who grow up hungry have one of two reactions in life:
1. They do live off of pizza, take-out and convenience foods, because their relationship with food and how they get it is so irreparably broken. They eat what they can get when they can get it, and there’s a desperate element to that consumption, because they cannot get past the ingrained thought that they do not know when they will next have access to food.
2. They distance themselves from their childhood hunger by tightly controlling what they eat and drink, by developing an appreciation for food beyond what they learned growing up. Their lives still, in many ways, fixate on food, but in a different way from the first group.
Clint, for me, has a lot of control issues. A lot of what he does boils down to control, what he maintains and what he’s able to give up. It’s the control he did not have as a child, that he struggled to acquire, that puts him in the second group for me. I do write him as being the survivor of childhood physical and emotional abuse. Not to put too fine a point on it, but it’s body autonomy, it’s control over what he eats that scrapes against an eating disorder on occasion. The only way to have (close to) complete control over what you eat is to cook it yourself.
So it’s a couple of things:
-I do think that Clint had a good mother, who did the best she could to feed her children, as best she could with what limited funds she had. What food he had was probably as good as she could manage, but there wasn’t much of it, and it wasn’t reliable. But Clint does know what solid, home cooking was like, and he does equate it with what safety he had as a child.
-Cooking is a marketable skill, both in the job market and in personal life. Someone who can cook has something to offer a group of people. Food attracts people. You have worth if you can feed people. It’s necessary, but more than that, sharing a meal is something that connects people.
-Cooking is a skill that rewards simple stubborn practice. Sure, you can read a recipe, and follow it, and get something good. But cooking works pretty well if you learn a few basics and then just do what you like. You don’t have to have a lot of reference material. You don’t need a formal education. You can learn, little by little, here and there. It’s an oral tradition in so many communities. It’s done by eye and by taste, there’s no exact measurements, and no punishment is handed down if you add peppers instead of carrots or skip the caraway seeds if you don’t like them. It might not taste as good. Or it might taste better. Or it might lead you to something else entirely. Cooking rewards the brave, and the stubborn, and it can be made YOURS so easily. A handful of secret ingredients and it’s now YOUR special recipe for spaghetti sauce.
I like to make a lot of jokes about Clint living off of junk food, and the Avengers having bad eating habits, and I think, they do on some level. But you don’t maintain that kind of musculature and that kind of strength and physical ability by living off of fast food. So I write Clint as someone who likes to cook, and more than that, who likes to cook for these people. It’s his place, in this weird little family dynamic. It’s what he can offer them, now that he doesn’t have to worry about money, about hunger, about being forced out.
I’ve also written Clint as having this kind of relationship with food. To date, the one fic I really focussed on it in is Lucky Pennies, and it’s something Coulson observes in the way Clint eats, but also, later, you’ve got Clint trying to feed Coulson, as this kind of apology/nurturing thing where he knows that Coulson’s mad at him and that him being there is probably making the situation worse, but his need to feed Coulson overrides it, and Coulson recognises that and lets Clint do it. I’ve also got a pretty intense thing to do with food between Clint and Bruce in my marvel bang fic, which will be getting published later this year, where Bruce and Clint talk to each other about how spending time in abusive households and care has affected their relationship with food.
“Seems familiar, somehow”
I drew this some time ago, for Scifigrl47’s birthday. It’s based on the wall art mentioned in “Stories Told with Silence”.
This is a hand-drawn sketch. I don’t have a scanner, so I had to take a photo. I haven’t edited the image, although I cropped the photo and tried to fix the brightness and contrast a little. The lighting wasn’t very good when I took the photo.
Like it? Have any suggestions for improvement? Let me know! I’m out of practice but hoping to freshen my skills. Drawing people (and animals) has always been one of my greatest weaknesses.
Please note that I’m new to posting on Tumblr and to sharing my work with the public, so be kind.
Look at these sweeties! I have this one up on my wall at the moment, thanks for sending it!
Since the original scene talks about Steve sketching out the scene on the wall, I think the black and white suits it very well! It’s like the first charcoal sketch at the start of a mural. 8)
i find it enormously funny how there’s an actual ao3 tag for Ceiling Vent Clint Barton
My question is, why are there only 37 works tagged with it? Come on, fandom!
I feel that this tag arose after I wrote this particular trope. However, I will retag immediately!
(A High Road Out From Here, in case you’re curious)
The tag was canonized in either August or September 2012, if my memory serves, so you are correct.
I’d really love it if someone could do an analysis of when and how this trope developed. It’s one of the more distinctive and pervasive character-specific tropes to have absolutely no basis in canon whatsoever. It might make a good example of how character traits are developed and codified within fandom.
I saw someone mention William Brandt but my mind keeps going to that story where Tony turned all the roombas sentient and they ended up in the ducts at SHIELD? Does anyone else remember this?
I know the fic you speak of that is quality. But what I recall is that was a thing before the Avengers movie, when it was actually canonized as “Barton likes high places.” Maybe it’s a sniper thing?
The roomba thing is scifigrl47, but I don’t think she was the originator? Anyone know the source of this trope? Because I pretty much love it. I think it happens so much because you say spy/sniper and people think of surveillance from a hidden vantage point, and who expects murder to come their way from a ceiling vent?
I originated the Roombas, but not Clint hiding in the vents. I don’t know where I picked it up. Pre-Avengers, I was super excited to find out that my childhood favorite Hawkeye was going to be in the movie. One of my first acts upon discovering AO3 was to read the Clint fics. All of them. Clint/Nat, Clint/Phil, Clint/Darcy, Clint/ANYBODYANDEVERYBODY. I did not care, if it was Clint, I read it.
The sniper thing did factor into it, and there’s a solid background of ‘sneaky Hawkeye sneaking’ in the comics, but for a guy with a bow and arrows in a purple suit, he spends a lot of time attacking head on. If I had to guess, I’d say I picked it up from a sequence of Clint/Coulson stories that have since been taken down by the author. I seem to recall it factoring in there, but they’re gone now so there’s no way to double check.
I was literally only having this discussion the other day with actuallyclintbarton and actuallykatebishop, and I theorised that two stories in particular were pivotal to the development of the trope. My pick for the actual origin is the Adaptations series by snack_size, which was written for a kink meme prompt, but clio_jih’s story predates that, unless there was a significant delay between meme posting and AO3 posting.
knitting in the dark 