Tag: captain america 2

lofihiphopbeats:

“Is the Winter Soldier the world’s most dangerous assassin that’s ever lived or the world’s longest serving P.O.W.?” Anthony Russo asked. “Is he responsible for his actions since he was turned into the Winter Soldier, or is he innocent by reason of insanity? Where does this character live now? Is he ever going to be acceptable again to Cap in the way he once was, before he was the Winter Soldier? Those are the really complicated relationship questions and philosophical questions and emotional questions that intrigued us moving forward.” (x)

wintercyan:

hellkatsally:

My question is: what is Steve Rogers’s body count?
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We don’t talk about that a lot because he’s an American Hero ™ and American Heroes don’t ever actually kill people even when they’re, you know, soldiers in the actual fucking Army.  The American Hero has to show mercy and give everybody a second chance and any time the Bad Guy dies, it has to be because he made a mistake that lead to his own death.  The hero can never actually just fucking murder him in our stories because that would be wrong and a true American would never do something like that.

So, like, has Steve Rogers ever shot a dude in the face?  Has he ever snapped anybody’s neck?  Has he ever been struggling for his own life and used his shield to take a life?

If you have either canon comics knowledge or just Opinions and Feelings, please feel free to share.  Because, like, dude was a soldier in WWII on the European Front fighting Nazis, kicking open doors with gun literally blazing, so he’s obviously killed people, but we never discuss this.  How does Steve reconcile killing?  Does he feel guilt?  Is he comfortable with his actions?  Has he killed people since he got pulled out of the ice?  How does he feel about taking human lives?  Does he talk to anybody about it?  Does he just internalize it and let it eat him up inside?

This is an excellent question, so I decided to look into it (in MCU, not the comics, sorry). Turns out it’s incredibly difficult to determine Steve’s on-screen body count because 99% of his kills are unconfirmed/ambiguous—which, given that Marvel is now owned by family-friend Disney, is obviously deliberate, and made easy by the fact that Steve’s weapon of choice is his shield (blunt force trauma, no penetration, leaving no obvious marks). A metal Frisbee doesn’t look like much of a weapon, right?

However, as a traumatologist in spe, I know for a fact that a shield thrown hard enough to embed itself in a metal bulkhead would definitely kill anyone it hit, especially if—as here—it’s aimed directly at the person’s head:

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There’s a good chance almost everyone Steve hits with the shield full force ends up dead/severely incapacitated and probably disabled for life.

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wintercyan:

wynterwydow:

The moment that you realize Agent 13’s cover was not an accident. Stay classy, S.H.I.E.L.D. :/

As I mentioned here:

The question is, why was Sharon assigned to watch over Steve in the first place? Fury already had Steve’s apartment bugged; if anything happened, Fury would know about it even before Sharon called it in. Protection? If someone broke in and overpowered Captain freaking America himself, chances are Sharon on her own wouldn’t have been able to stop them either—could she have stopped the Winter Soldier if he’d gone for an up-close kill rather than sniping Fury from the opposite building? No way.

So if she’s not there to spy on Steve or to protect him, why? My guess is emotional manipulation. Here’s a guy from the 1940s thrown into the 21st century, in shock after the trauma of losing basically everyone and everything he ever knew, and on top of that he’s a war veteran showing symptoms of PTSD—and the world depends on him to save it from rogue gods and aliens and who knows what else. That’s not a man you’d dare leave to muddle through things on his own, but what can you do when he refuses to talk about it and declines every offer of help or therapy?

Solution: The nice girl next door. Someone his age (the age he considers himself to be), someone he can relate to, a nurse like his mother—she works in the infectious disease ward just like Sarah Rogers did, imagine that! Steve can’t help admiring her bravery and selflessness in caring for her patients, knowing what it cost his mother. She even reminds him of Peggy, the way she smiles. Just seeing her reminds Steve of why he keeps fighting, why he keeps going back to S.H.I.E.L.D.: to keep people like her safe.

And then it turns out it’s all a carefully crafted lie to give him a reason to get out of bed in the morning, put on his uniform, and do Fury’s dirty work. If I were Steve, I’d be pissed too.

but how much do i love that in the closing scene of ca:tws, steve is looking at the winter soldier’s file and there’s a faded photograph of bucky barnes in his army uniform, bright and reckless, before his horrific transformation

how much do i love that it’s a direct mirror image of the shot of peggy carter at the end of ca:tfa, where she is looking at captain america’s file and there’s a photograph of steve rogers in fatigues, determined and skinny, before his miraculous transformation —ladyspies