wintercyan:

hellkatsally:

My question is: what is Steve Rogers’s body count?

We don’t talk about that a lot because he’s an American Hero ™ and American Heroes don’t ever actually kill people even when they’re, you know, soldiers in the actual fucking Army.  The American Hero has to show mercy and give everybody a second chance and any time the Bad Guy dies, it has to be because he made a mistake that lead to his own death.  The hero can never actually just fucking murder him in our stories because that would be wrong and a true American would never do something like that.

So, like, has Steve Rogers ever shot a dude in the face?  Has he ever snapped anybody’s neck?  Has he ever been struggling for his own life and used his shield to take a life?

If you have either canon comics knowledge or just Opinions and Feelings, please feel free to share.  Because, like, dude was a soldier in WWII on the European Front fighting Nazis, kicking open doors with gun literally blazing, so he’s obviously killed people, but we never discuss this.  How does Steve reconcile killing?  Does he feel guilt?  Is he comfortable with his actions?  Has he killed people since he got pulled out of the ice?  How does he feel about taking human lives?  Does he talk to anybody about it?  Does he just internalize it and let it eat him up inside?

This is an excellent question, so I decided to look into it (in MCU, not the comics, sorry). Turns out it’s incredibly difficult to determine Steve’s on-screen body count because 99% of his kills are unconfirmed/ambiguous—which, given that Marvel is now owned by family-friend Disney, is obviously deliberate, and made easy by the fact that Steve’s weapon of choice is his shield (blunt force trauma, no penetration, leaving no obvious marks). A metal Frisbee doesn’t look like much of a weapon, right?

However, as a traumatologist in spe, I know for a fact that a shield thrown hard enough to embed itself in a metal bulkhead would definitely kill anyone it hit, especially if—as here—it’s aimed directly at the person’s head:

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There’s a good chance almost everyone Steve hits with the shield full force ends up dead/severely incapacitated and probably disabled for life.

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