We watched the first Captain America and I have to say, I forgot about all the gay subtext.
Tag: abraham erskine

the birth of captain
AHAHAHA I LOVE IT. In his tiny capri khakis and all.
Here’s your soundtrack!
Where is My Mind? by Pixies
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In a fandom with many beautiful stories where the narrator or the information they hold as truth may be unreliable, this is something I think is unique and special. Brightwork just finished posting today, and it’s a story I’ve followed with interest since it began. notoska takes a fascinating ‘what if?’ premise and teases it out over twenty-two chapters as the characters travel around the world, tracking down the remnants of Hydra and finding tiny pieces of the puzzle. There’s a tension that runs through the whole story that’s equal to any conspiracy thriller, and the reveal, when it finally happens, is so small and subtle that you’d be forgiven for thinking it completely opaque unless you’ve got a very good memory for minutiae (or you do what I do, dig back into the story and find the answer) and realise its profound significance. It’s not a story for people who need everything wrapped up in a bow or are unsatisfied with open endings, but for those of you (like me) who love a story for the beauty of its construction, for those who love seeing characters struggle and don’t need to see them triumph, just survive, for those who like to see Steve, Bucky, Sam and Natasha questioning everything they know, then this story is for you.
Do you think that, the MCU at least, if Erskine hadn’t died then we’d have seen something like the Hulk a lot earlier? A whole lot of stuff in Marvel can be traced back to Cap like Wolverine, the Hulk and all that hot mess, Deadpool, and the Winter Soldier. All of them trying to recreate the Super Soldier Serum or just more supersoldiers.
Well, remember, the Hulk as an experiment in re-creating the super-soldier is very recent — I’d have to check with Mage for the precise date but I believe it only dates to the Ed Norton Hulk film. But to make it easy, let’s stick with MCU for now and ignore the comics, because in MCU Hulk was an attempt to re-create the Super Soldier Serum, though Bruce Banner wasn’t apparently aware of that.
I don’t think we’d see the Hulk sooner, at least in America, but the why of that is a complicated one.
If Erskine had lived, the Serum formula would have been in his control, which I don’t think was an accident; Erskine came from Nazi-controlled Germany and he presumably had a very healthy paranoia about authority. Even if the US had no plans to kill him, he knew that they wouldn’t dare think about it so long as he was the only one who knew the formula. It also meant he could exercise the same rigorous quality control on later test subjects that he did when choosing Steve. Phillips, for all his likeable qualities, was a military man in wartime and like most of the people he represented, he wanted the biggest, dumbest asshole to get the treatment — if Erskine didn’t control who got it, then the Army would start shoving men like Gilmore Hodge into the Sarcophagus of Pretty. And as we know, in the Sarcophagus of Pretty, good gets better, and bad gets worse. So you either get a lot of indestructible bullies, or you get a lot of dead ones. Erskine won’t have that.
So you have Erskine who is willing to make super soldiers but who is not going to unless they pass his personal inspection. The government’s still getting its soldiers, even if it’s not getting them super fast. Maybe they want more than Erskine is willing to give, but a bureaucracy at rest tends to stay at rest; as long as Erksine’s willing to play ball, it’s unlikely that anyone but a psychotic would push for parallel experimentation just so they could get more soldiers, and highly unlikely it would get funding.
There was a fanfic once, I wish I could remember where, that had one character talking about how it was a good thing Erksine died, because then the genetic arms race would have kicked into high gear, and you’d get armies of Super Soldiers running around fucking shit up. Another character pointed out that no — if personality affects how one reacts to the Serum, then what you get for candidates are people like Steve Rogers — people who will not use their power for personal gain, who will not blindly follow orders, and who will not stand to see the powerful dominate the weak. So what you end up with are a bunch of rational, thoughtful, stridently anti-authoritarian and nearly indestructible men who are trained to work well together and collaborate to achieve their goals. I can’t think the military would want too many of them.
If we did see a Hulk, I don’t think it would be an American one; I think it would be the product of Russia, post-war, trying to break the cold war stalemate by producing its own super soldiers with partial information taken from spies in America.
A literal Red Hulk, if you will.
Captain America: The First Avenger Trivia Click gifs for more trivia in captions
“The movie is about…as he struggles to find an identity in the modern world, his old life is slipping away – is hanging on by a thread. Peggy doesn’t remember him… and she’ll be dead soon. She’s the last remnant of his past. And Sam happens to find his way into his life, so now he’s slowly meeting a new friend, he’s gaining a trust with Widow…so the movie is about a journey for him as he finds new elements in the modern world to emotionally attach himself to. The cruel twist is that, the Winter Soldier shows up…and it’s like the past punching him in the face.” — Joe Russo [x]
a hero? like you?
I know they don’t mean it to look like Steve Rogers was considering sex work to make ends meet…
[From Captain America #121, 1970.]
I kept bringing up the time that the Captain America story was retold in such a way as to make it look like Erskine wanted him for kinky sex, and finally I found it again. So here it is, you guys, that time Erskine just walked up to a down-on-his-luck twink on a streetcorner at night and asked him to participate in a “strange experiment”.
Oh, early comics. So much sketchy.







